Sunday, April 26, 2009

21 December2012 : Is the threat Real?

World is abuzz with rumors that the universe will end on 21 December 2012 coz the Mayan calender doesn't go beyond that date. Its time to see what ancient Indian cosmologists have to say. 'SURY SIDDHANTA' attributed to ancient scholar Mayy deals with the age of the universe and also its remainder span. It says creation and annihilation are not ONCE ONLY events but repititive episodes. Every episode commences with a 'mahayuga' lasting 4,320000 years. 71 Mahayugas (306,720,000 years) make a 'manvantar'.Each manvantar is followed by a 'sandhya' or cosmic twilight lasting 1,728000 years. 14 manvantars together with their twilights equal 1000 mahayugas (4320000000 years). This is calleda 'kalpa'. Each kalpa is followed by 'Pralaya' (annhilation) lasting, like cosmic twilight, 1728000 years. The difference between cosmic twilight and pralaya is that during twilight the earth is filled with a great deluge. aLL life forms vanish or go into hibernation but all other elements of the universe remain intact during this period. Not so during pralaya when entire existence dissipates and all the elements collapse within, leaving absolutely nothing. Note well, each sandhya and each pralaya is followed by anew burst of life and existence.
According to the Hindu calendar, the current episode of the universe commenced 195908950 years back. A twilight period is due after 188908950 years. Pralaya is due after 155520000000000 years. So 21 Dec 2012 alarm is false. We donthave to worry even about the twilight and annhilation due after a long time as each is sure to be followed by fresh lease of life and existence. 
The universe is dead! Long live the universe!!!

I second your opinion. Our ancestors had found most of the answers that today's age scientist are looking for. Anyways I guess everyone has to complete their research and struggle.

yah our ancestors were one of the greatest people on earth....when you say 'our' ancestors, do you specifically mean indians.....if yes, i disagree, if you mean every ancient civilization, then i duno...........

i think he means indians n if so i agree with him. other civilizations wr also quite intelligent bt as much as the hindus

well i duno, but we indians honestly have a habit of patting our own backs. If the ancient hindus were technologically brilliant, we indians are definitely not their descendants.

they could be a seperate civilization or perhaps even a seperate sub-species, apart from humans. But definitely not our descendants.

Starter Says:
Surya Siddhanta quoted by me is an INDIAN classic. I don't agree with Vibhor that we Indians have the habit of pating ourback. As a matter of fact we have the silly habit of slapping in our own faces and denying our glorious heritage even as others accept and admire it. 
There are some who don't accept any thing Indian as authentic unless certified to be so by some non-Indian source. For their satisfaction lemme clarify that the bookhas a strong AMERICAN connection. The treatise was pulled out of oblivion by Rev. Ebenzer Burgess an American missionary wholived in India (Mumbai and its neighborhood to be precise) from 1839 to 1854. Rev. Burgess was born on 25 June 1905 in Grafton, Vermont US and entered the Andover theological seminary where he also taught Hebrew and Greek before leaving for India. He learnt Sanskrit, translated Surya Siddhanta in English and got the same piblished in the journal of American Oriental Societyin in 1860. Apart from mathematicalmodels for estimating the age of the universe and its remainder span the book also contains planetary ephimiris which were periodically updated by successive Indian astronomers. The last updating was done by a scholar named Laat in 4th century AD. A latest reprint of the book has been taken out by Motilal Benarsidas in collaboration with Kolkata University. Read it and see for yourself the brilliance of the work.
Yes we aren't worthy to be called the descendants of the geniuses oue ancestors were and shall not be so unlesswe give upthe habit of running them down for no rhyme or reason.

i duno if we were brilliant in the past or not, but when i said 'patting our back', i meant that we sometimes give excuse of our brilliant past in order to hide the miserable conditions today.

For example, politicians today will go to say kii --dekh mein gandagii hai to kya hua, humaara itihaaas laakhon mein ek hai---people often do that, especially wile talking to foreignors, since our country today is trashy, people seem to justify it in their minds by saying that our culture is glorious.

I am not talking about you, but normal people who i have seen in the news and in person.

Also, we also seem to think that we are the ONLY country with a culture in the world, we seem to think that the west is immoral and cultureless, this is something that is had to believe in. Again, i am not talkng about you specifically but people in general.

Another thing is, the ages of the universe though whatever you may say, cannot be verified.........meaning, we dont knw the method of how they came to the conclusion ( especially when the ancient indian astronomers , though brilliant, werent aware of planets beyond saturn since they had no telescopes) about the age of the universe. I know they were brilliant , but harsh and nn, sudhir isnt just talking about indian mathematicians and astronomers in the early ADs, hes talking about all the rishis and munis , he also believes in wars fought by manta power and vibrations, about weapons materializing from nowehere , about brahmhastra, and rishis living for millionsof things. 

These kinds of things dont really melt into the time -frame humanity has, like human civilization really developed after 10,000 BC, theice age. After that, in india we had the harrapan culture from 3000-2000 BC, and aryans after that. So how can there be a civilization so brilliant that is citizens could live for millionso f years when only could have survived from 10,000 BC to 3000 BC, just 7000 years.

and frankly, EVERY ancient civilization was good with astronomy. Each of them, the earliest reports of civilization in india yet discovered has been the harrapan civilization, while in many parts of the world, there have been civilizations that had existed much much before that.

I totally agree the harrapans were brilliant, but we are probably not their desecendants since we were probably aryans.

Aryans migrated from central asia to india in around 2500 BC, the RIG vedas and all veedas were written by them.

The vedas consist of specific instances of refferal to them--they call them aryans, they even identify the place where they came from and MOST IMPORTANTLY, the vedas tell us about a ddrink called koma( i thjink that what it was, though cant be sure), it was a intoxicatiing drink, people were supposed to communicate with god upon drinking, but the herb has been idntified and its actually a drug. ITS STILL IN SUE IN AFGHANISTAN AND OTHER REGIONS NEAR CENTRAL ASIA, people still drink that drink theere ( soucre-discovery channel).

Secondly, horse chariots are a feature thats essentially totallycentral asian, the chariots werent seen in any other civilization, only the persians other regions in central asia from where people migrated to other places liek india. 

These chariots, which are commonly seen in mahabharata and other religious books of hindus, ws definitely brought down to india by aryans, so basically there isnt really any 'time' for a brilliant civilization of people who live for millions of years to exist.

if you tell me they were a DIFFERENT civilization of whos clues havent been found, then sorry, ur stories are as vivid as imaginary as those of the lost city of atlantis.

Syarter Says:
Well Captain I don believe in the dooms day prophesy of 21 Dec., 2012. Not because Surya Siddhanta forecasts a longer span for our universe but because the 21 Dec theory is based on the untenable logic that the Mayan calender doesn't go beyond that date and hence that is the end of the world. The universe is certainly scheduled to last much longer even as per contemporary scientific cosmology, let alone the ancient Surya Siddhanta. 
And Vibhor I agree with you that there have been many other civilisations with a rich past in Astronomy. Unlike our generation, the ancients (Indians as well as others) had practised globalisation in the field of knowledge. "Panch Siddhantika" (Critique of five schoolsof thought) written by Varahmihir in 528 AD lists five leading, globally prevalent theories of planetary motion and eclipses in those days. While three of these (Surya, Vasishtha and Pitamah siddhanta) are indegenous the remaining two (Romak and Paulis) are of Roman and Greek origins respectively. Varahmihir's evaluation of their relative merit is candid, honest and free from sectarian bias. He declares the Greek and Roman theories to be more accurate than at least two Indian ones, viz., Pitamah and Vasishtha siddhanta. 
By affirming that India has had a glorious past in the field of Arts, Literature and Science we aren't saying that others didn't have. Like wise to agree that there have been civilisations other than Indian we don't have to necessarily deny similar status to India. In understanding history one doesn't have to go by zero-sum presumptions.
Tht Aryans are not natives of India is a debatable point but unfortunately both sides i.e. those who believe and disbelieve in it are so strongly opinionated that rational discourse simply doesn't become possible. There is need for each side to have an open mind for the other's point of view.

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